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Post by Stacy on Apr 1, 2008 7:16:29 GMT -5
Welcome tribes to your second challenge. As you can see, Candice was voted out of Ki-Moon at the last Security Council. Now it's time for your next challenge.
In your last treeMail, you were asked to sign-up for positions - helper or hurter. These are the results of that.
Helpers: John K. & Ozzy, Alicia & Kathy, Tina & Tom, Jaime & Silas Hurters: Danni & James, Hunter & Sundra, Rudy & Stacy, Aras & Steph Sit-outs: Michelle, Bobby Jon, Jonny Fairplay
Now take a good look at each other... I'm sure you're wondering why your tribal reps have been paired. Well, now I'm going to explain how this challenge works.
The way you are going to win this challenge is by having the other pairs either vote or not vote for your tribe. So in effect, YOU decide who goes to Security Council this round.
The Helpers and Hurters have their own separate boards. This is one of the few times in the game where you are ENCOURAGED to talk with the members of the other tribes. HOWEVER, you must only post on that board. Any deals or discussion you make will be public. No private messaging allowed. Warnings will be given if you do that.
What you are trying to do is convince the other three pairs that your tribe either deserves or does not deserve their vote. As a pair, you will cast either a +1 vote (Helpers) or -1 vote (Hurters). You must agree on this vote. If you fail to come to a conclusion in the allotted time, you incur a -1 penalty to your tribe regardless of whether you were a Helper or Hurter. Submit this vote through a PM to me. Both members must PM me the same tribe name.
To make this clear... Imagine that two pairs of helpers vote for me and one pair of hurters decide to hurt me. That means I have +2 points, but also a -1 point. That ends up being +1 point for me.
The tribe with the lowest number of points in the end will go to the Security Council. In the event of a tie, of the two tied tribes, the tribe that had the most helpers help them will be saved. If there is still a tie, we check hurters. If there is still a tie, time of submission is into effect.
I will be generous and give you 60 hours (2 1/2 days) to work on this challenge. However, if all the submissions are in early, there will be early results.
Good luck and ask if you have questions.
(I'm posting this slightly early as an experiment with the times and stuff.)
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Post by Rudy on Apr 1, 2008 8:42:34 GMT -5
A very interesting challenge! I was way off so Im sorry about that.
Well guys I really think that the helpers have a harder time here. I also think that if there is a tie, it will ultimately be determined by how fast we submitted. There are only 4 tribes so any tie, would be between exact same numbers, therefore a tie, or so it seems. So it would come down to the hurters or time submitted.
I honestly think that it is important that Stacy and I submit as quickly as we can.
BUT WAIT! I just noticed something. No where in the rules does it say we can NOT vote FOR our own tribe. I think that our helpers, Tom and Tina should vote for Annan tribe. It only says we should agree on the vote and submit the same way, and that we need to convince the other 3 pairs that we deserve or do not deserve their vote.
So Tom and Tina need to convince them to vote for our tribe and Stacy and I try to keep them from taking away from us..Tom and Tina actually vote for Annan anyways.
What do you think? I dont think MK could penalize us for voting for ourselves since he did not say we could NOT.
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Post by Tom Westman on Apr 1, 2008 9:04:04 GMT -5
Thats exactly what I was thinking Rudy! Smart thinking! Now I do think that what we need to do is keep this to ourselves (Tina and I) We won't get into much debate in our rooms and we will have everyone else slug it out.
Rudy and Stacy- Gang up on a tribe real quick! I mean c'mon but IMHO Thant is probably one of our toughest tribes to compete against. And it wouldn't be that hard to convince everyone else there that we would really like to play this game without Michelle. She is sitting out- This is a perfect time. Tina and I could try to convince people to vote for Ki-Moon because they already went to TC and vote for ourselves instead. Thoughts anyone?
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Post by Rudy on Apr 1, 2008 9:14:17 GMT -5
Do you really want them to vote FOR Ki-Moon? So you want them to give their votes to Ki-Moon and not us??
I was actually thinking that Stacy and I vote against Ki-Moon. While Michelle is annoying, I think Thant will take care of that when they do go to TC. Also isnt it true that Michelles is not the most strategic player here? I heard a few people say that she really didnt deserve to even be playing this game. I dont know her at all so I cant really offer comment on her at all.
With Ki-Moon already being down one, wouldnt it be better to hurt the smaller tribe even more? There are some heavy hitters over there for sure.
Just some thoughts. And yes, I believe that Stacy and I will submit pretty early, as soon as we figure out who we will hurt. lol This is fun!
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Post by Rudy on Apr 1, 2008 10:24:19 GMT -5
Stephanie suggested this....
Too funny in my opinion because I dont trust her to follow that but I was thinking we subtract from Ki-Moon anyways. So if we actually do that Ki-Moon cant be upset with us for following their tribesmates suggestion. lol It was interesting to see how she figured that out though, wonder why she picked the colors against the others as she did.
Am I putting too much thought into Steph's thinking?
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Post by Tom Westman on Apr 1, 2008 11:01:27 GMT -5
Allright after thinking about it more we definently need to target Ki Moon. It will give us the numbers in any tribal shake up. I agree with you Rudy- Lets take that weak tribe and make them weaker.
Don't trust Steph at all. She is feeding information. The nice thing is she put us taking the points from there tribe. I think you guys need to do some sneaky work over there and get the other tribes to get on the same wave length to keep the weak weak.
Just take what I was saying before as Brainstorming- But I like your thoughts a lot more Rudy!
Lets do this!
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Post by Stacy on Apr 1, 2008 11:41:37 GMT -5
I've sent in, so Rudy and I are good.
I think Michelle is an all-star because she holds the most-positng award for every game she's been in.
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Post by Rudy on Apr 1, 2008 11:45:52 GMT -5
I've sent in, so Rudy and I are good. I think Michelle is an all-star because she holds the most-positng award for every game she's been in. Thats true! LOL Ya Stacy and I are in. Its up to you guys to get us some extra points now! lol Tina's got a lot of catching up when school lets out. Poor gal. Whats going on on your side Tom? Care to share? Seems like I'm the only one agreeing right now with Steph's idea. lol Everyone is afraid to agree and afraid to disagree. Steph commented that if we all agree and someone goes back on it we all agree to go after that person. Who wants to wager she will be the 1st to not do as she suggested? LOL I sure hope so cause then we have a good reason to go after her then. This is a fun challenge!
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Post by Tom Westman on Apr 1, 2008 12:09:03 GMT -5
I think that Steph is one of the biggest hypocrites in the game quite honestly.
Nothing is going on at my side right now. Kathy announced that we are not going to start debating until everyone has shown up. So it could be a while
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Post by Rudy on Apr 1, 2008 14:48:43 GMT -5
What?!?! So she thinks she can get everyone on at the same time so you all can debate at the same time? lol Guess this will take the full 60 hours.
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Post by Tom Westman on Apr 1, 2008 15:01:31 GMT -5
Not all at the same time but she wants everyone to check in before we start to debate. So far we are just on two pages talking about future presidnecy's of individuals.
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Post by Rudy on Apr 1, 2008 15:03:24 GMT -5
Not all at the same time but she wants everyone to check in before we start to debate. So far we are just on two pages talking about future presidnecy's of individuals. yawn
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Post by τιñα on Apr 1, 2008 15:20:23 GMT -5
I'm here now. Sorry I can't be on all that much, especially when it comes to challenges like these. If everyone wants to go after Ki-Moon that's fine with me, but I do hope that some time soon, all the tribes go down in numbers. This is All Stars, you can't really say one tribe is stronger than the other... all the tribes are threats here.
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Post by Rudy on Apr 1, 2008 18:24:14 GMT -5
I'm here now. Sorry I can't be on all that much, especially when it comes to challenges like these. If everyone wants to go after Ki-Moon that's fine with me, but I do hope that some time soon, all the tribes go down in numbers. This is All Stars, you can't really say one tribe is stronger than the other... all the tribes are threats here. I agree Tina. Was just a thought until Steph suggested we give her negative so we settled on that. But wait Tina, I dont think you are supposed to vote Ki-Moon, yours is a positive. What did you think of the idea of voting for ourselves? Has Tom talked to you yet? And of course Tina, we understand the school stuff. Heck I was lucky, I work all week except Tuesdays..for a few more weeks. Its really hard to get online at work so today was a little lucky for me thats why I was able to post a lot today.
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Post by τιñα on Apr 1, 2008 19:31:02 GMT -5
Yea, I know ours is positive. I haven't had gotten a chance to just talk to Tom about it, I don't know if we'll ever be on at the same time.
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