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Jul 3, 2008 10:44:24 GMT -5
Post by Rudy on Jul 3, 2008 10:44:24 GMT -5
Sundra I never said you broke promises tho I did say deals. I am smart enuf to know you made a deal with me and a promise to BJ. BJ said it himself. It was the way you went about trying to play me the fool, and you should know I am no fool, I can "read" words very well...sometimes, ya, some slip past me but not always.
I would NEVER assume I deserve nor will win over anyone! I think Steph has a very very good chance to win this based on how he has played and I have told him that. James does too, based on the low profile and the underdog role he has gotten. Kathy has a good shot too and so do you.
You make it sound as if its all over for you and/or Kathy and thats not the case either....it needs to play out however it does. I still dont think I am safe, nor does anyone else. I am not as confident as you are feeling defeated...but thanks for the compliment none the less.
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Jul 3, 2008 10:53:50 GMT -5
Post by Sundra Oakley on Jul 3, 2008 10:53:50 GMT -5
Deals then, I want to know what deals I broke to you because off the top of my head, I can not think of a single one. Please, can you tell me rather than repeating the point?
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Jul 3, 2008 11:14:18 GMT -5
Post by Rudy on Jul 3, 2008 11:14:18 GMT -5
You agreed to a F3 with Rudy, Sundra and Kathy...and even Kathy skirted around the wording of it with me. Thats how I knew it was BS...specially when U ordered me to vote James this round, stating "stacked votes" is necessary but you wouldnt consider a BJ vote...nor even mention his name for a few PM. Then you said its a Steph vote IF James gets immunity. The "truth" for me was clear when you didnt want to vote Steph unless James got immunity, but and you didnt "WANT" to vote for me, but you would never say I Promise...tho you did give BJ that promise although you did say I DO NOT HAVE A F3 WITH BJ! BJ spilled it all, confirming what I thought all along, you were trying to play me the fool Sundra. You promised BJ a F3, and told him to vote Steph this week, and Rudy next week! WHAT?? And you ordered me to vote James this week, or Steph if James gets immunity. I am saddened that you would do that to me...lol, shocked that you thought you could get away with it. Then you try to soften up your pms saying it may sound harsh but thats your demeanor or something like that. I wouldve worked to the end with you but you messed it up, not me. You ordering a James vote from me without giving me any room to discuss AT ALL, is not how allies play in my book, you were simply using me to throw my vote away when you went after my throat! Nice. You dont want to vote me, you dont want to vote Steph, YOU WILL NOT VOTE BJ nor Kathy, but you order me to vote how YOU want? And Im supposed to trust that you want that F3 with me and Kathy. HA "Hey Rudy, your a dumb ass player who cant think like an intelligent adult. Go shoot yourself in the head or Im gonna slit your throat!" I dont think so Sundra, but thats the feeling I had that you were really wanting to say. So ya, I wont go on further with you here. I made my point of showing the jury that you are not to be trusted....I also made my point to both James and Steph who heard me out with not much ease I will tell you...it was difficult...but I wont go on further debating this with you now. You have shown that you cant play the game without blowing up and bad mouthing everyone still left in the game except for Kathy, and also taken shots at the jurors too. I kind of hope I was gonna try to get to the end with you now! lol
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Jul 3, 2008 12:22:01 GMT -5
Post by Sundra Oakley on Jul 3, 2008 12:22:01 GMT -5
No, not once did I agree to any F3 with yourself and Kathy, that deal was not made so printscreen it to 'prove to the jury' or take the comment back because I know I never promised you that or made that deal with you.
Ordered you to vote James? You asked me if I had a way for you to stay in this game, and I did have 'a' way for you to stay in this game, and that was taking out James this round, not BJ, that's why I never brought his name up. I denied a F3 with BJ yes, because nothing was actually set in stone at that point, yeah we'd discussed it A LOT, I'd told him that 'i'd love to be in the end with him and Kathy' and that was my intentions, though we did not have a set in stone F3, and that's what you asked me, hence your 'no' response, any let's face it, a 'yes we do' response would have been slightly dumb, would it not?
And stop saying I 'ordered' you which implies I think I had this hold over you which was never the case, I gave you the options you asked for. As for 'telling' BJ, let him speak for himself. BJ always asked me what he thought we should do, and voting Steph was the 2nd option I gave him after he implied voting James wouldn't be the best thing ... so before you speak for others about me, get your facts right because that's not how it happened.
'saddened I'd do it to you' ... oh come on, we were never on the same side at all in this game depsite how many times I tried to work with you, it was obvious we had different allies and different preferences in regards to the vote. Yeah I was going to 'use you' as you put it, it's all part of the game, your vote was needed for my plan to work out, obviously it didn't work out, kudos to you. However, please don't play the 'i can't believe you'd do this to me' card because of our past, I've reitirated it enough times how highly I think of you so trying to put me on a guilt trip is unfair. Also, please don't be a hypocrite about it ... I was 'saddened' when you told 2 people things I'd told you in private, I was also 'saddened' when you threw me under the bus at TC by trying to put a target on myself and Steph's back so please don't play that one with me because it is unfair as I like you a lot, but it's also hypocritical that you'd say that.
Again, you've said that your post was so the jury can see I can't be trusted, if this is aimed at the jury, then at least quote me correctly as the impression you are giving out of me is far from the person and player I am. I didn't say I didn't want to vote Steph, I didn't bring her name up as I didn't think it would be possible whereas voting James would have been a lot more possible, which I explained to you and you seemed to understand, yet you're throwing it out now when it is firstly untrue, and secondly it's to try and give off an even worse impression of me.
Again, I did not ORDER you to do anything, and no, I didn't expect you to believe that I wanted a F3 with yourself and Kathy because I never, and I never made that promise or deal to you so again, please don't say I did something I didn't do, it's not nice.
"I made my point of showing the jury that you are not to be trusted"
Clearly you didn't, as a lot of what you said was either unfair, or untrue. Secondly, you say above or in another post that you don't think you have this game won ... to me that comment says that as far as you're concerned, that jury believes whatever comes out your mouth. As for the jurors, I did not give ANY of them one single reason to believe I can not be trusted in this game. Ozzy and Stacy were told straight how I was voting, no beating around the bush and stringing along, I openly said at TC my vote was for Tina at that vote, Silas was also told that I would be voting him out the round he was voted out so don't you dare tell me that you've now made your point to the jury that I'm not to be trusted, as I have not done or said anything to those jurors for them to think I can't be trusted ... I'd happily quit this game if out of those 7 people sitting there now, you can find one single lie that I've told to them, I'm that confident because I know that my game has not involved lies so rather than trying to put these thoughts into the jurors heads about me, let them make their own minds up on whether I can be trusted or not, because I'm not going around saying you've said and done things that you haven't done, so I'd appreciate the same back.
Also, YOU!! Have I once told you how I'm voting and then not voted that way? Have I once lied to you about anything in this game? Have you genuinely throughout this game ever thought my word meant nothing? If anybody's shocked right now then it's me, and rightly so, I never would have thought you'd have tried to paint me out to be some lying, dishonest, disloyal person who orders people to do things, especially when my loyalty has potentially cost me my game. I could have flat out lied to you, said "yes, F3 here we come, me you and Kathy to the end' blah blah blah and that would have ensured you voting how I wanted, but no, I weren't willing to do that, because a) it's not the type of person I am and b) you were a friend, regardless of whether we are in a game or not and you're playing under a character, I had the respect for you to not do that to you, so I'm surprised you'd say I'm dishonest. Yes I tried to play you this round, I'm not denying that, but I didn't lie and I didn't act and say some of the things you've said I did, even though I knew by not answering your question it would put doubt in your mind and potentially be my downfall, which was the case, I still didn't do it. All it would have took was one single lie and I'd have probably made the finals, but I weren't prepared to do it, especially to you, so think what you like, try and convince the jury that I'm a horrible, dishonest person, because you're saying one thing and my actions are obviously saying another.
I can play the game without bad mouthing people. I only bad mouth people when they give me a reason to, so I'm within my rights to say that. The only difference with me is, I bad mouth them openly, to their faces, as appose to bad mouthing them in PMs to people and then trying to act as though butter wouldn't melt. You mad mouthed James to me, he's a sneak, a liar apparantly ... yet he's your new best buddy .... is it alright for you to bad mouth people behind their backs for them not to defend themselves but not alright for me to do it in public where they have a chance to defend themselves? Your halo's on the floor.
'taken shots at the jurors too' ... I take it you're refering to my comment in the challenge thread? Firstly, that was aimed at the host, I was raising my concerns with him. Ozzy and Alicia misinterpreted what I'd said and got angry, I then defended what I'd said ... I'm perfectly within my rights to do that. I know they ultimately determine the winner at the end, but it's not my personality to sit back and not defend myself, nor do I kiss arse, so if I have a problem with them, or something to say, then I'll say it, and maybe even resolve it. Should I apologise for having a different view and opinon to others and for not being a kiss arse as well now?
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Jul 3, 2008 13:05:28 GMT -5
Post by Rudy on Jul 3, 2008 13:05:28 GMT -5
A response will follow Sundra, but I dont have the time right now.
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Jul 10, 2008 1:57:28 GMT -5
Post by Bobby Jon on Jul 10, 2008 1:57:28 GMT -5
Love coming back from my Bahamas vacation with all this Sh*it!
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Jul 10, 2008 1:59:39 GMT -5
Post by Bobby Jon on Jul 10, 2008 1:59:39 GMT -5
I want to know some information.. asap because what it looks like that i was backstabbed?
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Jul 10, 2008 8:13:32 GMT -5
Post by kathy on Jul 10, 2008 8:13:32 GMT -5
My vote was the Steph vote, BJ.
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